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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 apr 2013 10:15 

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Hi, all and everyone! I am a russian fanat of Johan Cruyff. Recently I started to try to find out ALL the matches and ALL the goals of Cruyff. But it is SO difficult. There are so many matches - even officials - where it is not all clear - especially his matches in NASL. And as for friendlies - there are even more of unclear. I could not even find out the amount of Cruyff's matches and goals for the second team of Ajax, not to mention his matches for Ajax youth teams. Everyone who can help - WELCOME!
Anyway, GOOOD LUCK and BEST WISHES for ALL of you, Ajax-supporters!
Arsenij :)


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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 apr 2013 10:17 

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First of a ball, 24 october 1964 Cruyff played his first match in 1st team of Ajax - a friendly against Helmondia '55. Ajax won 3-2, goals were scored by Vesters (2) and Tijm. Does anybody know the line-up of Ajax? Was Cruyff in starting line-up or a substitution for someone? I looked through a lot of digital archives of dutch newspapers but...


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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 apr 2013 10:30 
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This is what i found on the internet, maybe it helps you a bit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Cruyff

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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 apr 2013 10:51 

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Favoriete Ajacied (aller tijden): Cruyff
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Thank you very much, but of course I alredy know all that. The difficulties begin when it's up to his matches for the youth teams (even official matches, the same with his NASL period) and the friendlies. For example, I know that he once scored 17 (no typo!) goals in a match of Ajax (age category 14-17 years old). It was in 1962 but I can not even find when exactly the match was played. The same with one more match (for the 1-st youth team of Ajax when he scored 12 goals)


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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 apr 2013 15:07 
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Favoriete Ajacied (aller tijden): Johan Cruijff
Website: http://www.degoeieouwetijd.nl
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Arsenij 14 schreef:
Hi, all and everyone! I am a russian fanat of Johan Cruyff. Recently I started to try to find out ALL the matches and ALL the goals of Cruyff. But it is SO difficult. There are so many matches - even officials - where it is not all clear - especially his matches in NASL. And as for friendlies - there are even more of unclear. I could not even find out the amount of Cruyff's matches and goals for the second team of Ajax, not to mention his matches for Ajax youth teams. Everyone who can help - WELCOME!
Anyway, GOOOD LUCK and BEST WISHES for ALL of you, Ajax-supporters!
Arsenij :)
Hello Arsenij,

I think it is impossible to find all the goals he scored for the Ajax youth teams.
Untraceable and even if you find some record they will not be complete.

If i find something it will be the usual and the links you already have found;
http://www.nasljerseys.com/Players/C/Cruyff.Johan.htm
http://pesstatsdatabase.com/viewtopic.php?f=184&t=3058

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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 apr 2013 15:15 

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I think it is impossible to find all the goals he scored for the Ajax youth teams.
Untraceable and even if you find some record they will not be complete.
I know that won't be easy, maybe it's indeed impossible but I want to try to find out as many matches asI can. Would it be without the youth matches - good, so be it, would it be with some youth matches - great! But I think it is worth to try out. It is so interesting! I think the friendlies of his adult matches aren't impossible to find. Nowadays many newspapers' archives are digitalized and so we are able to trace many matches with the help of them. Anyway, thanks for any help :)


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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 apr 2013 15:41 

Lid geworden op: 04 apr 2013 10:10
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Favoriete Ajacied (aller tijden): Cruyff
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Ah... if only I had an accept to the archive of Ajax... :cry:


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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 apr 2013 15:51 
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You can always e-mail Ajax and explain your situation. They should have archived it I guess.


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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 apr 2013 15:57 

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Favoriete Ajacied (aller tijden): Cruyff
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Leonel schreef:
You can always e-mail Ajax and explain your situation. They should have archived it I guess.
Thank you very much for the advice. You know, I had had the idea and I e'mailed to Helmondia '55 to find out the info about the 1st match of Cruyff for the 1st team of Ajax. I thought that rather a small club like them would answer me than such a big club like Ajax. They haven't answer yet...


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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 apr 2013 20:18 
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Lid geworden op: 21 jan 2013 23:11
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Favoriete Ajacied (aller tijden): J.Cruijff
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I`m sure you know this website, if not, I hope it will help a little bit!!!

http://www.cruijff.com/asp/ned/info.asp?page=speler


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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 apr 2013 20:29 

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Favoriete Ajacied (aller tijden): Cruyff
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Piele schreef:
I`m sure you know this website, if not, I hope it will help a little bit!!!

http://www.cruijff.com/asp/ned/info.asp?page=speler
Yeah, thank you. These are only official matches unfortunately, but thank you a lot :)


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BerichtGeplaatst: 03 jul 2013 22:44 

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Favoriete Ajacied (aller tijden): Cruyff
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I've found out that Cruijff was in that match in basis, and for the second half-time was subbed out for Swart.
Who can tell me: is there anywhere anyone who collects all the possible info about all the matches of Ajax (60-s, 70-s, 80-s) including friendlies and unofficial matches??????????????????


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BerichtGeplaatst: 03 jul 2013 23:12 
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Favoriete Ajacied (aller tijden): Johan Cruijff
Website: http://www.degoeieouwetijd.nl
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Who can tell me: is there anywhere anyone who collects all the possible info about all the matches of Ajax (60-s, 70-s, 80-s) including friendlies and unofficial matches??????????????????
Don't know about friendlies and unofficial matches but here you can find a lot:
https://www.vi.nl/Teams/Ajax.htm?dbid=3 ... page=84139
Next to AJAX there is a button saying 2013/14. It goes back all the way to the sixties.
A lot of info.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 jul 2013 00:30 

Lid geworden op: 04 apr 2013 10:10
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Favoriete Ajacied (aller tijden): Cruyff
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Arsenij 14 schreef:
Who can tell me: is there anywhere anyone who collects all the possible info about all the matches of Ajax (60-s, 70-s, 80-s) including friendlies and unofficial matches??????????????????
Don't know about friendlies and unofficial matches but here you can find a lot:
https://www.vi.nl/Teams/Ajax.htm?dbid=3 ... page=84139
Next to AJAX there is a button saying 2013/14. It goes back all the way to the sixties.
A lot of info.
Thanks a lot for the link )))
But - of course - there are only official matches... (((

I think that the info about frendlies can be found mostly in old newspapers archives...


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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 jul 2013 01:56 
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Thanks a lot for the link )))
But - of course - there are only official matches... (((

I think that the info about frendlies can be found mostly in old newspapers archives...
Yes, but it is a start. :)
Well, i think i can help you with a few but it is a lot of searching and it takes a lot of time.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 jul 2013 11:52 

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Favoriete Ajacied (aller tijden): Cruyff
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Arsenij 14 schreef:
Thanks a lot for the link )))
But - of course - there are only official matches... (((

I think that the info about frendlies can be found mostly in old newspapers archives...
Yes, but it is a start. :)
Well, i think i can help you with a few but it is a lot of searching and it takes a lot of time.
Thank you very much )))
About "for a start" - I know all the line-ups and goalscorers of Ajax in official matches during the periods when Cruijff had been playing there (1964-73 and 1981-83). There is only one match where I do not know ALL the line-up. I can not find it. I know goalscorers and line-ups of Ajax in many friendly matches, but of course there are many more questions about that sort of matches - sometimes I only know the score but I have not not only the line-up but also goalscorers (for example, 19 july 1969 Ajax won friendly against VV Bergeijk 15-0 and I even do not know goalcrorers and if Cruijff played or not :( - and there are many matches like this). I need ANY help - so thank you )) And if you may - can you write to me not here but to my mailbox - it would be more simple for me to answer (growyoung@mail.ru). THANK YOU once again ))))


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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 jul 2013 15:26 
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(for example, 19 july 1969 Ajax won friendly against VV Bergeijk 15-0 and I even do not know goalcrorers and if Cruijff played or not
That's hard. I have a book of the season of AJAX 69/70. Nothing about that match. But there is something about Manchester - AJAX a week later. But nothing really about that match.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 jul 2013 19:58 

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(for example, 19 july 1969 Ajax won friendly against VV Bergeijk 15-0 and I even do not know goalcrorers and if Cruijff played or not
That's hard. I have a book of the season of AJAX 69/70. Nothing about that match. But there is something about Manchester - AJAX a week later. But nothing really about that match.
That is exactly what I am talking about! There are many such matches as this - against VV Bergeijk! I name it just for example, you know.


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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 jul 2013 20:12 

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(for example, 19 july 1969 Ajax won friendly against VV Bergeijk 15-0 and I even do not know goalcrorers and if Cruijff played or not
That's hard. I have a book of the season of AJAX 69/70. Nothing about that match. But there is something about Manchester - AJAX a week later. But nothing really about that match.
Have you only 69-70 book?
I know for sure that the following friendlies of 69-70 were played -
19-07 VV Bergeyk - Ajax 0-15 (no goalscorers, no line-up)
26-07 Ajax - Man. City 3-3
27-07 Ajax - Allemania 2-1
30-07 SV Wuppertahl - Ajax 1-1 (no line-ip)
27-08 Juventus - Ajax 2-1
10-09 Ajax - Slowakie 1-1 (no line-up)
19-10 Ajax - Rot Weiss 5-0
04-01 Zandvoort Meeuwen - Ajax 2-11
I am nor sure that these are ALL the friendlies of that season...


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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 jul 2013 20:45 
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30-07 SV Wuppertahl - Ajax 1-1 (no line-ip)
10-09 Ajax - Slowakie 1-1 (no line-up)
Of course that is not the only AJAX-book i own, A14.
Yes, the game VV Bergeyk - Ajax was played indeed but in my book there are no statistics.
I can help you with those 2 games though!
I will scan it on monday. Remind me on that day.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 jul 2013 20:56 

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30-07 SV Wuppertahl - Ajax 1-1 (no line-ip)
10-09 Ajax - Slowakie 1-1 (no line-up)
Of course that is not the only AJAX-book i own, A14.
Yes, the game VV Bergeyk - Ajax was played indeed but in my book there are no statistics.
I can help you with those 2 games though!
I will scan it on monday. Remind me on that day.
OK ))))))
Look, if there are ANY friendly or unofficial matches that you have ANY info about, then it wouild be VERRRRRY helpful of you to... well, you know )))


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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 jul 2013 21:31 
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Maybe you can ask Sjaak Swart if he remembers something. ;)

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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 jul 2013 21:40 

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Maybe you can ask Sjaak Swart if he remembers something. ;)
It is a joke? Or he likes so much to talk via internet with fanats? )))))))))))))))))


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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 jul 2013 21:52 
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OK ))))))
Look, if there are ANY friendly or unofficial matches that you have ANY info about, then it wouild be VERRRRRY helpful of you to... well, you know )))
Yes, i've read it in your mail.
I am very busy but now and then i will post something.
Maybe you can make a specific list of games you'll need some more info for.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 jul 2013 21:54 
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Haha yes, it's a joke.
Yesterday was a docu about Swart and I noticed that he remembers very much about his matches in the past.

I can't help you, sorry.

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