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BerichtGeplaatst: 18 feb 2014 18:31 
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Arsenij 14 schreef:
Yeah, I've noticed that already. I mailed to Ajax several times to ask help in finding line-ups in friendly matches of Ajax and to say that they failed to mention at least some friendlies but they never answer... I hope to find any archivist of Ajax or a statisitcian who knows the statistics of friendlies of Ajax but I can't find any contacts of them....
I know, it's very difficult to contact them. I've had some contact with Mr. Schoevaart, a few weeks before het past away but that didn't help. I've had also contact with David Endt and he told me i wanted to help me. He invited me to come to the Arena. When i asked him for an appointment he never send me anything back. After a few mails a couple of weeks later and again, no reaction, i gave up.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 18 feb 2014 18:38 

Lid geworden op: 04 apr 2013 10:10
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Favoriete Ajacied (aller tijden): Cruyff
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Arsenij 14 schreef:
Yeah, I've noticed that already. I mailed to Ajax several times to ask help in finding line-ups in friendly matches of Ajax and to say that they failed to mention at least some friendlies but they never answer... I hope to find any archivist of Ajax or a statisitcian who knows the statistics of friendlies of Ajax but I can't find any contacts of them....
I know, it's very difficult to contact them. I've had some contact with Mr. Schoevaart, a few weeks before het past away but that didn't help. I've had also contact with David Endt and he told me i wanted to help me. He invited me to come to the Arena. When i asked him for an appointment he never send me anything back. After a few mails a couple of weeks later and again, no reaction, i gave up.
I think that if some people (say, 10) write to Ajax to ask the same question they may give up keeping silence and understand that the history of Ajax maybe as interesting to many people just as moderm Ajax (and maybe even more interesting) )))


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BerichtGeplaatst: 24 feb 2014 17:14 
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Lid geworden op: 11 okt 2011 13:06
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Favoriete Ajacied (aller tijden): Johan Cruijff
Website: http://www.degoeieouwetijd.nl
Locatie: Hulst
Not even if a 1000 people write to AJAX with these questions. They just don't answer or the answer is negative.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 24 feb 2014 17:29 

Lid geworden op: 04 apr 2013 10:10
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Favoriete Ajacied (aller tijden): Cruyff
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Yeah, it is sadly...
Look, Toby, have you anyone familiar in Arnhem?


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BerichtGeplaatst: 24 feb 2014 18:16 

Lid geworden op: 04 apr 2013 10:10
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Well, the point is that...
Among others I look for the info about friendly that took place at 6 december 1964.
That was de Graafschap - Ajax 0:3
I found 4 various versions of the goalscorers:
1) 28' Petersen, 36' Nuninga, 90' Keizer
2) 28' Petersen, 36' S.Tijm, 90' Keizer
3) 28' S.Tijm, 36' Swart, 90' Keizer
4) 28' S.Tijm, 36' Nuninga, 90' Keizer
))))
Well, I've mailed to Gelders-archive and they've answered:
"Het artikel met het verslag van de wedstrijd staat in de Graafschapsbode van 7 december 1964. De uitslag was 3-0 voor Ajax.
Indien u een reproducties scans of kopieën van dit artikel wilt bestellen kunt u dit doen door €25,- over te maken op onderstaande ING rekening.
Na ontvangst van het geld sturen wij de scans per mail zo snel naar u op. Voor het versturen van kopieën hebben wij uw postadres nodig.
Voor betalingen buiten de EU betaalt altijd een transfertoeslag van € 15,- per opdracht.
Betaalgegevens:
ING Bank N.V.
Nederland
Rekeningnummer NL13INGB0009442057 ten name van het Gelders Archief te Arnhem
BIC/Swift code: INGBNL2A
IBAN nummer: NL13INGB0009442057
Briefkenmerk (B2014-431)
Geld dat contant wordt toegestuurd wordt niet geaccepteerd. Het Gelders Archief is niet aansprakelijk voor geld dat op deze wijze zoek raakt.
Studiezaal
U bent uiteraard van harte welkom in onze studiezaal om zelf onderzoek te komen verrichten. De studiezaal is kosteloos toegankelijk. De prijs van zelfgemaakte kopieën bedraagt € 0,10 per kopie.
Openingstijden: dinsdag t/m donderdag van 10.00 tot 17.00 uur en elke 2e zaterdag van de maand van 09.00 tot 17.00 uur.
Gelders Archief | openingstijden studiezaal, di-do: 10:00 -17:00 en elke 2e zaterdag van de maand: 9:00 - 17:00 | www.geldersarchief.nl"

Well, I can't afford to myself to pay 55 euro (30 euro is the least cost to transfer money to west-european banks) for 1 article.
So, I ask ANYBODY who lives in Arnhem or who has a familiar there to help, to come to that studiezaal and to make a copie or scan or just to write off the article the opstellung of 'Ajax', the goalscorers and assisters.
It would be VERY kind and helpful...
Thank you very much for advance!


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BerichtGeplaatst: 24 mar 2014 20:44 
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Made any progress, Arsenij?

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BerichtGeplaatst: 31 mar 2014 20:13 
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No, i did.

https://archief.ajax.nl/login
Log in with (type it!):
gebruikersnaam: Ajax114
wachtwoord: Jarig114

And search. For example:
25-01-68 friendly Ajax - AZ'67 2-1 (goalscorers and line-up???)
https://archief.ajax.nl/issue/NWS/1968- ... =relevance

Seek. And you will find. Good luck.
This part of the archive will be open till the 10th of april.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 24 mei 2014 20:21 

Lid geworden op: 04 apr 2013 10:10
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Favoriete Ajacied (aller tijden): Cruyff
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343 schreef:
No, i did.

https://archief.ajax.nl/login
Log in with (type it!):
gebruikersnaam: Ajax114
wachtwoord: Jarig114

And search. For example:
25-01-68 friendly Ajax - AZ'67 2-1 (goalscorers and line-up???)
https://archief.ajax.nl/issue/NWS/1968- ... =relevance

Seek. And you will find. Good luck.
This part of the archive will be open till the 10th of april.
Hi, Toby!
Thanks for the link.
I've known it via some other friend who showed it to me.
Great link!
Though there's not so much info about friendlies but I've found so much new about Ajax-youth teams of 60-s!
BTW, the link still works (they did not close the access)


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BerichtGeplaatst: 25 mei 2014 00:13 
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No, but little by little your archive is getting more complete.
Any luck with help from Ajax.nl etc?

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BerichtGeplaatst: 25 mei 2014 09:04 

Lid geworden op: 04 apr 2013 10:10
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Favoriete Ajacied (aller tijden): Cruyff
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343 schreef:
No, but little by little your archive is getting more complete.
Any luck with help from Ajax.nl etc?
Yeah, there was some help. Not to myself, but to a man from which I've asked help.
So, this man wrote to official site of Ajax. No answer. Wrote one more time. No answer. Wrote the third time. And GOT the answer from Evert Vermeer! He sent the info about 4 friendlies to this man, and this man resent them to me!
But when I asked that man to give me e-mail adress of Vermeer, he told me that Vermeer asked him not to tell the adress to anyone ((((
So I got the help from Ajax but via that man


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BerichtGeplaatst: 25 mei 2014 09:08 

Lid geworden op: 04 apr 2013 10:10
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Favoriete Ajacied (aller tijden): Cruyff
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Tell me please, do you know dutch?
how to translate "waar hij bijna één seizoen volmaakte"?
I can' understand does it mean
1) "where he played for almost the whole season"
or
2) "where he finished the season"
???


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BerichtGeplaatst: 25 mei 2014 09:47 
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Lid geworden op: 12 okt 2011 22:26
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It means something like 'where he almost completed one season'. Your first option was the closest. :mrgreen:

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BerichtGeplaatst: 25 mei 2014 17:25 

Lid geworden op: 04 apr 2013 10:10
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Favoriete Ajacied (aller tijden): Cruyff
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Non-Flying Dutchman schreef:
It means something like 'where he almost completed one season'. Your first option was the closest. :mrgreen:
Thank you very much! )


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BerichtGeplaatst: 26 mei 2014 19:04 
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Locatie: Hulst
Arsenij 14 schreef:
Yeah, there was some help. Not to myself, but to a man from which I've asked help.
So, this man wrote to official site of Ajax. No answer. Wrote one more time. No answer. Wrote the third time. And GOT the answer from Evert Vermeer! He sent the info about 4 friendlies to this man, and this man resent them to me!
But when I asked that man to give me e-mail adress of Vermeer, he told me that Vermeer asked him not to tell the adress to anyone ((((
So I got the help from Ajax but via that man
You know who Evert Vermeer is right? I've mentioned him a couple of times.
Very nice of him. I understand your disappointment but Mr. Vermeer would be too busy answering all these requests of the likes of you and many, many other AJAXhistory-lovers. :smileajax:

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BerichtGeplaatst: 26 mei 2014 19:52 

Lid geworden op: 04 apr 2013 10:10
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Arsenij 14 schreef:
Yeah, there was some help. Not to myself, but to a man from which I've asked help.
So, this man wrote to official site of Ajax. No answer. Wrote one more time. No answer. Wrote the third time. And GOT the answer from Evert Vermeer! He sent the info about 4 friendlies to this man, and this man resent them to me!
But when I asked that man to give me e-mail adress of Vermeer, he told me that Vermeer asked him not to tell the adress to anyone ((((
So I got the help from Ajax but via that man
You know who Evert Vermeer is right? I've mentioned him a couple of times.
Very nice of him. I understand your disappointment but Mr. Vermeer would be too busy answering all these requests of the likes of you and many, many other AJAXhistory-lovers. :smileajax:
Yeah, Toby!
You're right, absolutely right, million times right!
BUT!
But if there was that info on the official site of Ajax there would be no need in such requests to Heer Vermeer!
I can't understand why the official site still hasn't that info (((
But, well, it's ok! )))

Look, I can't find the answer for a question that is so important to me.
I've read in various sources that Cruyff became the lid of Ajax in the day of his 10th birthday that is in april 1957 (in those days you could not become the lid if you was less than 10 years old).
But also I've read that for him was made exception, and he started to play for Ajax-welpen in 1956, when he was 9. Do you know or can you find out if it's true or not? Have he played for Ajax-welpen when he was 9?


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BerichtGeplaatst: 30 mei 2014 23:29 

Lid geworden op: 04 apr 2013 10:10
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Hello, guys!
I just thought that I've never seen a photo of Gerrit Splinter! No photo of him young, no photo of him adult!
I can't find any even via the dutch google!
Very strange! Can anybody help please?


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BerichtGeplaatst: 02 jun 2014 15:44 
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Lid geworden op: 11 okt 2011 13:06
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Locatie: Hulst
Arsenij 14 schreef:
Hello, guys!
I just thought that I've never seen a photo of Gerrit Splinter! No photo of him young, no photo of him adult!
I can't find any even via the dutch google!
Very strange! Can anybody help please?
I know a Arno Splinter but a Gerrit Splinter? He doesn't exist in the AJAX-archives.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 04 jun 2014 12:43 

Lid geworden op: 04 apr 2013 10:10
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Arsenij 14 schreef:
Hello, guys!
I just thought that I've never seen a photo of Gerrit Splinter! No photo of him young, no photo of him adult!
I can't find any even via the dutch google!
Very strange! Can anybody help please?
I know a Arno Splinter but a Gerrit Splinter? He doesn't exist in the AJAX-archives.
Gerrit Splinter is a far relative of Arno. Gerrit was born in 1946, he's one year older than Johan Cruijff and they both played in the same youth-teams of Ajax from Ajax-kids and so on. Everybody could see that they both were extremely talented and mane thought that Splinter was even better than Johan. Gerrit self said that it was competition between Johan and himself who would score more go8als. And 'if Johan scored 17 then I scored 19'. I know for sure that in one match some (I don't know exactly what it was) of Ajax-youth teams won 34-0 against Zwart-Oranje where Johan scored 17 and Gerrit scored 12. But unfortunately Gerrit could only reach the Ajax-2.


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BerichtGeplaatst: 09 jun 2014 20:28 
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No, sorry Arsenij. Can't find any info or a picture of him.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 26 sep 2014 18:56 

Lid geworden op: 14 apr 2012 11:12
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Hello,

A strange question perhaps but has someone all the goals of Sjaak Swart his farewell match in 1973? Is it somewhere included in a documentary? Which one? The video below only shows the first goal of the game
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10 ... =3&theater


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BerichtGeplaatst: 26 sep 2014 19:02 

Lid geworden op: 04 apr 2013 10:10
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RokvokEagle schreef:
Hello,

A strange question perhaps but has someone all the goals of Sjaak Swart his farewell match in 1973? Is it somewhere included in a documentary? Which one? The video below only shows the first goal of the game
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10 ... =3&theater
Sorry, but no...


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BerichtGeplaatst: 28 sep 2014 16:57 

Lid geworden op: 14 apr 2012 11:12
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Arsenij 14 schreef:
RokvokEagle schreef:
Hello,

A strange question perhaps but has someone all the goals of Sjaak Swart his farewell match in 1973? Is it somewhere included in a documentary? Which one? The video below only shows the first goal of the game
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10 ... =3&theater
Sorry, but no...
Another oddity is the match against Carl Zeiss Jena.. No documentary seems to have all goals of that match.


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BerichtGeplaatst: 28 sep 2014 17:33 

Lid geworden op: 04 apr 2013 10:10
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Favoriete Ajacied (aller tijden): Cruyff
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Arsenij 14 schreef:
RokvokEagle schreef:
Hello,

A strange question perhaps but has someone all the goals of Sjaak Swart his farewell match in 1973? Is it somewhere included in a documentary? Which one? The video below only shows the first goal of the game
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10 ... =3&theater
Sorry, but no...
Another oddity is the match against Carl Zeiss Jena.. No documentary seems to have all goals of that match.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQ77YOe52c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYPbjJPgbM


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BerichtGeplaatst: 09 okt 2014 17:49 
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Arsenij 14 schreef:
RokvokEagle schreef:
Hello,

A strange question perhaps but has someone all the goals of Sjaak Swart his farewell match in 1973? Is it somewhere included in a documentary? Which one? The video below only shows the first goal of the game
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10 ... =3&theater
Sorry, but no...
Indeed. Nothing to find about that match, helas.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 09 okt 2014 17:55 

Lid geworden op: 04 apr 2013 10:10
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Favoriete Ajacied (aller tijden): Cruyff
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Arsenij 14 schreef:
RokvokEagle schreef:
Hello,

A strange question perhaps but has someone all the goals of Sjaak Swart his farewell match in 1973? Is it somewhere included in a documentary? Which one? The video below only shows the first goal of the game
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10 ... =3&theater
Sorry, but no...
Indeed. Nothing to find about that match, helas.
Yeah... it's so pity that then there was no internet, or else we would knew much more about the idols of the past like Johan Cruyff...


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