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BerichtGeplaatst: 07 sep 2013 19:37 

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It is well known that Cruyff became a member of Ajax in 1957. Who knows how he was progressing in Ajax-youth-teams year by year? I only know that the first Ajax youth team (Ajax A1) he for the first time played in 1962-63. I want to know all the steps he made in Ajax-youth-teams. Unfortunately I even do not know how it was all about in sixties in Ajax. The first team, then reserve team or Ajax-2, then Ajax A1, then - ? Ajax A2? A3? A4? A5? A...? B1? B2? How many teams were there in Ajax A, in Ajax B, and so on? Which youth team of Ajax was for the youngest players of 10 years old?
Anybody who knows anything about it - WELCOME :)


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BerichtGeplaatst: 09 sep 2013 16:23 
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It is well known that Cruyff became a member of Ajax in 1957. Who knows how he was progressing in Ajax-youth-teams year by year? I only know that the first Ajax youth team (Ajax A1) he for the first time played in 1962-63. I want to know all the steps he made in Ajax-youth-teams. Unfortunately I even do not know how it was all about in sixties in Ajax. The first team, then reserve team or Ajax-2, then Ajax A1, then - ? Ajax A2? A3? A4? A5? A...? B1? B2? How many teams were there in Ajax A, in Ajax B, and so on? Which youth team of Ajax was for the youngest players of 10 years old?
Anybody who knows anything about it - WELCOME :)
Nothing but....

But from his fifth year he was 5 days a week doing jobs for AJAX.
Like taking care of the fields, cleaning the stands of De Meer., hanging towels. etc.
Sometimes he played two games a day. As a keeper and midforward.
Piet Keizer learned Cruijff to shoot better. Cruijff was a B-junior back then.

He made the step from the B-youth to AJAX 2 when he was 15 playing in friendly tournaments. His teammates or players from the opposite team were sometimes 4 years older then Cruijff. He had to fight.
Age 16 he became a regular member of AJAX 2. He earned 60 guilders per week.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 09 sep 2013 20:26 

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It is well known that Cruyff became a member of Ajax in 1957. Who knows how he was progressing in Ajax-youth-teams year by year? I only know that the first Ajax youth team (Ajax A1) he for the first time played in 1962-63. I want to know all the steps he made in Ajax-youth-teams. Unfortunately I even do not know how it was all about in sixties in Ajax. The first team, then reserve team or Ajax-2, then Ajax A1, then - ? Ajax A2? A3? A4? A5? A...? B1? B2? How many teams were there in Ajax A, in Ajax B, and so on? Which youth team of Ajax was for the youngest players of 10 years old?
Anybody who knows anything about it - WELCOME :)
Nothing but....

But from his fifth year he was 5 days a week doing jobs for AJAX.
Like taking care of the fields, cleaning the stands of De Meer., hanging towels. etc.
Sometimes he played two games a day. As a keeper and midforward.
Piet Keizer learned Cruijff to shoot better. Cruijff was a B-junior back then.

He made the step from the B-youth to AJAX 2 when he was 15 playing in friendly tournaments. His teammates or players from the opposite team were sometimes 4 years older then Cruijff. He had to fight.
Age 16 he became a regular member of AJAX 2. He earned 60 guilders per week.
Thank you! But saying 'Ajax 2' you mean the reserve team of Ajax (that is the second team) or 'Ajax A'? As far as I know he DID play for 'Ajax A1' and A-teams were a step from B-teams to Ajax 2, right?


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BerichtGeplaatst: 09 sep 2013 22:30 
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Thank you! But saying 'Ajax 2' you mean the reserve team of Ajax (that is the second team) or 'Ajax A'? As far as I know he DID play for 'Ajax A1' and A-teams were a step from B-teams to Ajax 2, right?
Yes, AJAX 2 is Jong AJAX but back then it's called AJAX 2.
Yes, but agewise he was a B-junior.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 10 sep 2013 04:24 

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Arsenij 14 schreef:
Thank you! But saying 'Ajax 2' you mean the reserve team of Ajax (that is the second team) or 'Ajax A'? As far as I know he DID play for 'Ajax A1' and A-teams were a step from B-teams to Ajax 2, right?
Yes, AJAX 2 is Jong AJAX but back then it's called AJAX 2.
Yes, but agewise he was a B-junior.
Oh, I know that he was always younger that his team-mates. Were A-teams usually for 16-18 years old? And B-teams for 15-16?


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BerichtGeplaatst: 10 sep 2013 16:55 
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Yes, i think so.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 11 sep 2013 15:26 

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Yes, i think so.
Look, what I've found -
http://hart.amsterdammuseum.nl/49036/nl ... 15-16-jaar
interesting what the year is that? it's said that they are 15-16 years old, so maybe Cruyff is 14...


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BerichtGeplaatst: 11 sep 2013 21:59 
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Yes, very likely. Cruijff played in AJAX A1 when he was 15 years old.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 30 dec 2013 15:09 

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Hello, everyone!
Merry Christmas and a happy New Year to all! :)
Who can help me with the line-ups of Ajax in some international friendlies?

1) 14 march 1965 Ajax - Kaiserslautern 2-1
2) 16 mei 1965 Ajax - Norwich City 5-1
3) 7 august 1965 Ajax - Stoke City 5-3 (benefiet of B.Hoogerman)
4) 8 juny 1966 Cherno More (Varna, Bulgary) - Ajax 3-1
5) 3 august 1966 Ajax - Aston Villa 2-0
6) 7 august 1966 Ajax - CSKA (Bulgary) 7-1
7) 25 october 1966 Koeln - Ajax 1-1
8) 6 august 1967 Ajax - Anderlecht 3-1
9) 23 august 1967 Standard (Belgie) - Ajax 0-1
10) 7 december 1967 Ajax - Slovan (Bratislava) 5-1
11) 6 august 1970 Brugge - Ajax 2-2
12) 29 december 1970 Ajax - Eintracht 6-2

Thank you, good luck ))))))))))))))


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BerichtGeplaatst: 30 dec 2013 16:16 
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I'm sure Toby is working on it. #LOL#

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BerichtGeplaatst: 30 dec 2013 16:20 

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I'm sure Toby is working on it. #LOL#
I look for them so long that I'm almost in despair! (((
On the other hand I did find the various info from the other necessary matches


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BerichtGeplaatst: 30 dec 2013 17:08 
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I know for sure that you can find it all in the database here (DGOT = The Good Old Times)
but only a specialist like Toby (343) would be able to point you in the right direction.
If you don't have access you'll have to ask him.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 30 dec 2013 17:14 
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I know for sure that you can find it all in the database here (DGOT = The Good Old Times)
but only a specialist like Toby (343) would be able to point you in the right direction.
If you don't have access you'll have to ask him.
He knows it, P_P. :-)
I will take a look this evening (in about 4 hours).
I have books and statistics about that era but i have little hope i have the line-ups etc. about these matches. But i will look anyway.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 30 dec 2013 17:56 

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I found out the next matches from 1964 to 1969
24-10-64 friendly Helmondia'55 - Ajax 2-3 (found the line-up)
06-12-64 friendly de Graafschap - Ajax 0-3 (found the goalscorers)
31-01-65 friendly Wageningen - Ajax 1-3 (found the goalscorers)
30-07-65 friendly Meidericher SV - Ajax 1-1 (found the goalscorer and the line-up)
31-07-65 friendly Borussia Neunkirchen - Ajax 5-2 (found the goalscorers and the line-up)
08-06-66 friendly Cherno more (Varna, Bulgary) - Ajax 3-1 (found the goalscorer)
01-02-67 friendly Anderlecht - Ajax 4-1 (found the line-up)
09-08-67 friendly Ajax - Everton 3-0 (found the line-up)
14-12-67 friendly Israel national team - Ajax 1-6 (found the line-up)
20-03-68 friendly Ajax - Duisburg 1-1 (found the line-up)
27-07-68 friendly Sparta Prague - Ajax 2-1 (found the line-up)
28-07-68 friendly Slovan Bratislava - Ajax 4-1 (found the line-up)
30-10-68 friendly Man. City - Ajax 3-0 (found the line-up)
19-07-69 friendly VV Bergeyk - Ajax 0-15 (found the goalscorers and the line-up)
30-07-69 friendly SV Wuppertahl - Ajax 1-1 (found the line-up - THANKS TOBY)
10-09-69 friendly Slovakie - Ajax 1-1 (found the line-up - THANKS TOBY)

LEFT MATCHES WITH MISSING INFO FROM 1964 TO 1969
06-12-64 friendly de Graafschap - Ajax 0-3 (the line-up???)
31-01-65 friendly Wageningen - Ajax 1-3 (the line-up???)
28-02-65 friendly de Volewijkers - Ajax 4-4 (line-up???)
14-03-65 friendly Ajax - Kaiserslautern 2-1 (line-up???)
16-05-65 friendly Ajax - Norwich City 5-1 (line-up???)
07-08-65 friendly Ajax - Stoke City 5-3 (line-up???)
15-08-65 friendly Holland Sport - Ajax 0-3 (line-up???)
26-08-65 friendly Ajax - JOS 3-0 (goalscorers and line-up???)
02-09-65 friendly NEC - Ajax 1-4 (line-up???)
22-10-65 friendly ZVV - Ajax (the score, goalscorers and line-up???)
10-03-66 friendly AFC - Ajax 1-6 (line-up???)
08-06-66 friendly Cherno more (Varna, Bulgary) - Ajax 3-1 (line-up???)
31-07-66 friendly AGOVV - Ajax 1-5 (line-up???)
03-08-66 friendly Ajax - Aston Villa 2-0 (line-up???)
07-08-66 friendly Ajax - CSKA (Sofia, Bulgary) 7-1 (line-up???)
25-08-66 friendly Ajax - Noordwijk 5-1 (goalscorers and line-up???)
between 12 and 17-09-66 three friendlies:
Noordwijk 5-2 (goalscorers and line-up???)
Spartaan'20 21-0 (goalscorers and line-up???)
JOS 13-0 (goalscorers and line-up???)
22-09-66 friendly Ajax - Roodenburg 6-1 (line-up???)
25-10-66 Ajax - Koln 1-1 (line-up???)
06-08-67 friendly Ajax - Anderlecht 3-1 (line-up???)
23-08-67 friendly Standard Liege (Luik) 0 Ajax 0-1 (line-up???)
17-09-67 friendly Ajax - GSV 9-0 (line-up???)
28-09-67 friendly Ajax - Noordwijk 9-0 (goalscorers and line-up???)
22-11-67 friendly den Bosch - Ajax 2-4 (line-up???)
07-12-67 friendly Ajax - Slovan (Bratislava) 5-1 (line-up???)
25-01-68 friendly Ajax - AZ'67 2-1 (goalscorers and line-up???)
04-08-68 friendly Elinkwijk - Ajax 2-3 (line-up???)
10-08-68 friendly Exselsior - Ajax 1-6 (line-up???)
28-01-69 friendly Ajax - Military Nederland team 3-0 (line-up???)


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BerichtGeplaatst: 30 dec 2013 22:19 
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Nope, Nothing. And i have many books about 66 till 70's.
Maybe you can contact Niels from www.ajaxmuseum.nl?
He has got a lot of AJAX-memorabilia.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 30 dec 2013 22:27 

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Nope, Nothing. And i have many books about 66 till 70's.
Maybe you can contact Niels from http://www.ajaxmuseum.nl?
He has got a lot of AJAX-memorabilia.
I'll try, thanx, Toby )))


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BerichtGeplaatst: 06 jan 2014 21:51 
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And? What did he say?

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BerichtGeplaatst: 07 jan 2014 14:38 

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And? What did he say?
Unfortunately, he haven't answered yet


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BerichtGeplaatst: 20 jan 2014 18:44 
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Still not? If so, i will contact him for you.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 20 jan 2014 18:47 

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Still not? If so, i will contact him for you.
Still no reply!
Thank you very much )))
Happy New Year, btw )))


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BerichtGeplaatst: 20 jan 2014 19:17 

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I even found out the line-up of 'Kaiserslautern' in friendly 1965 'Ajax' - 'Kaiserslautern' 2-1 and the line-up of 'Slovan' in friendly 1967 'Ajax' - 'Slovan' 5-1 but still no line-up of 'Ajax' in both matches...


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BerichtGeplaatst: 21 jan 2014 15:12 

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Favoriete Ajacied (aller tijden): Cruyff
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Found out the line-ups of Ajax in the following 2 matches:
29 december 1970 against Eintracht 6:2
Stuy – Suurbier, Vasovic, Hulshoff, Krol – Blankenburg, Neeskens (Rijnders, 46), G.Muhren (Keizer, 46) – Swart, Cruyff, van Dijk
25 july 1973 TSV (Norf)/TUA (Buddreich) 14:0
Stuy – Suurbier, Hulshoff, Haan, Krol – G.Muhren, Neeskens (van Dord, 46), А.Muhren (Kleton, 66) – Rep (Swart, 46), Cruyff, Keizer


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BerichtGeplaatst: 21 jan 2014 15:34 
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Lid geworden op: 12 jan 2013 16:53
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Can you share this information with us?

We've had contact a while ago so you know i'm also busy with historical line-ups and goalscorers.

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BerichtGeplaatst: 21 jan 2014 15:37 

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Can you share this information with us?

We've had contact a while ago so you know i'm also busy with historical line-ups and goalscorers.
Yeah, of course, all that you want and that I can provide! ))


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BerichtGeplaatst: 21 jan 2014 15:58 
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Still not? If so, i will contact him for you.
Still no reply!
Thank you very much )))
Happy New Year, btw )))
Can you give me the exact list what you need to know?
I will mail him this week and i will let you know something next monday.

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